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04-09-2015, 07:05 PM
Post: #1
Recently there have been many many issues with gambling. Examples of this include scamming and confusion about the rules. I do not believe we should get rid of gambling completely because it is a huge part of DivRP. But there has to be an absolute ruling for it. Recently Ryan said that you should gamble at your own risk. I am not 100% sure what he meant by it. Many people are using this to scam. What do you peeps think should happen to gambling. Should it be ruled out completely to avoid problems or should it be changed. Discuss.

Ruling so far: Scamming is not allowed and its never been. If you are scammed dont expect to be reimbursed for it. Dont be a queef-sniffer
04-09-2015, 07:13 PM
Post: #2
People are using what Ryan said to be complete faggots and scam the shit outta people.

I feel like the scamming rules for other parts of RP should be for this too.

However, I feel that for this to be possible to be scamming, both parties must agree to the price in text chat right before they roll.
04-09-2015, 07:16 PM
Post: #3
If we allow people to do what I have experienced today related to this whole thing about gambling and scamming, I can see the Admin chat flooded with "scamming" reports and stuff.

This clearly needs a clarification, completely taking away gambling wouldn't be nice. I personally never gamble or anything, but I do see many players RPing with casinos and stuff so yeah.

I guess we will have to wait a bit more



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04-09-2015, 07:17 PM
Post: #4
I remember from D3vine for a short while we allowed people to donate for others and trade that donation for RP cash and we were trying a hands-off policy.

After a short while people realized that they could abuse the fact that we wouldn't interfere in the slightest, so they started doing it to the point where it had to be changed back.

I know that's not the situation here, but it feels similar with how a mentality changes once a super says something, or once a ruling is put on something.

I understand not wanting to interfere with gambling, but if it's downright consistent mingy behavior, then I obviously believe a punishment isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I guess the consistent mingy behavior could be said about anything that people do to exploit or get around the system.

I just don't want it to be like D3vine where there would be minges that would hide under the radar simply because they didn't break a rule, yet they'd annoy everyone and piss people off causing disruptions in Roleplay with mingy behavior that we couldn't "punish" for.

Know this is a ramble, but this is honestly my mindset.
04-09-2015, 07:25 PM
Post: #5
(04-09-2015 07:17 PM)TheDivinity Wrote:  I remember from D3vine for a short while we allowed people to donate for others and trade that donation for RP cash and we were trying a hands-off policy.

After a short while people realized that they could abuse the fact that we wouldn't interfere in the slightest, so they started doing it to the point where it had to be changed back.

I know that's not the situation here, but it feels similar with how a mentality changes once a super says something, or once a ruling is put on something.

I understand not wanting to interfere with gambling, but if it's downright consistent mingy behavior, then I obviously believe a punishment isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I guess the consistent mingy behavior could be said about anything that people do to exploit or get around the system.

I just don't want it to be like D3vine where there would be minges that would hide under the radar simply because they didn't break a rule, yet they'd annoy everyone and piss people off causing disruptions in Roleplay with mingy behavior that we couldn't "punish" for.

Know this is a ramble, but this is honestly my mindset.
I understand but this entire situation is ruining many peoples' RP experiences. If we just let it continue like this then we might have tk get rid of the entire gambling business completely. There should be something to prevent the whole scamming incidents.
 
04-09-2015, 07:26 PM (This post was last modified: 04-09-2015 07:27 PM by Kaz.)
Post: #6
(04-09-2015 07:17 PM)'TheDivinity' Wrote:  I remember from D3vine for a short while we allowed people to donate for others and trade that donation for RP cash and we were trying a hands-off policy.

After a short while people realized that they could abuse the fact that we wouldn't interfere in the slightest, so they started doing it to the point where it had to be changed back.

I know that's not the situation here, but it feels similar with how a mentality changes once a super says something, or once a ruling is put on something.

I understand not wanting to interfere with gambling, but if it's downright consistent mingy behavior, then I obviously believe a punishment isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I guess the consistent mingy behavior could be said about anything that people do to exploit or get around the system.

I just don't want it to be like D3vine where there would be minges that would hide under the radar simply because they didn't break a rule, yet they'd annoy everyone and piss people off causing disruptions in Roleplay with mingy behavior that we couldn't "punish" for.

Know this is a ramble, but this is honestly my mindset.

 

That's just it, that's exactly what's going on here.

Even after they're obvious minges, and we tell them to stop, they decide to argue with us because of what the supers posted.  Then they do it again after a warning, and then make player reports on us for it.

 

I truly believe that more regulation is needed for gambling. At least make it scamming if someone doesn't supply their end of the bargain.
04-09-2015, 07:29 PM
Post: #7
I also just thought of this. Nobody wants to see gambling gone or at least most people. If staff isnt allowed to interfere in gambling affairs then it would be the same thing as getting rid of it. Within time everyone will be scamming and no one will risk gambling if nothing changes.
04-09-2015, 07:48 PM
Post: #8
I like what havoc posted on those ban appeals and player reports, I'm gonna follow that
04-09-2015, 07:49 PM
Post: #9
Trying to hide behind specific excuses and loopholes is, at least in this case, mingy behavior in my opinion.

The whole thing about RP money and donations was actually some kind of "similar" situation, people would make adverts saying "PAYIN UP 2 1337 MILLONS 4 DONATIONS" and after both parties agreed on said price and proceed to make said donation, the guy would just turn around and walk away with the credits and stuff, yes I would say this is a similar situation.

I don't like nazis really, some kind of easy rule or something should be put in here

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'HavocMaverick' Wrote:  the scamming rule is enforced, what's at your own risk is losing all your money and not being reimbursed for it by staff, if something like this happens.

Gambling shouldnt be removed just because of a couple bad apples, its not that often people get fucked over and when they do they usually forget about it within a few days so no biggie Mr. Smalls.

 

 

 

 

 



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04-09-2015, 08:02 PM
Post: #10
I think if we could apply the gambling idea into a job of the sorts, it could wipe the scamming problem we have with it out. However, I feel the job would be either too hard to code, or just too confusing over all.

If we did it even though it was confusing, maybe we could have a difficulty level rating for new players on jobs, so they know what they're getting into when they play more difficult jobs.

My two cents.
04-09-2015, 08:08 PM
Post: #11
look this isnt that hard to comprehend imo. You are at risk of losing your money when you gamble. THATS IT. if you break a rule you are at risk of receiving a ban. Scamming is against the rules, if you scam and intentionally plan on being a shit to ppl you will receive a ban. No if's and's or butts.

The risk is that you wont be reimbursed by staff. I may be misinterpruting what ryan said but i think if we are going to have a rule against scamming then it should apply to all fields of rp, including gambling. Now I dont wanna get rid of gambling, but it seriously seems like thats something we will have to think about since there are some people who can't go a day without getting an e-boner from fucking someone over.

We shouldnt have to get rid of gambling just because it promotes scamming in a way, if this were the case we should just get rid of guns as well since it promotes a chance of rdm. But its definetely been made into an issue since there are players who love to start up shit storms. 

Here's a simple way to keep outta trouble in these situations:
Don't try to ruin someone's gameplay, we will end up just ruining yours with a ban.

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04-09-2015, 08:26 PM
Post: #12
I'm gone for one day and things like gambling go to shit? -sigh-

No, in all honesty, gambling shouldn't go. People may overuse it as a for of money-making, but sometimes it can bring some nice RP situations. People are always going to be tossers and come on to ruin other people's fun, this has just been a new way to do it.

Havoc pretty much closed the issue, just wanted to say my piece. Don't be a cunt and the staff won't be cunts.

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04-09-2015, 08:33 PM
Post: #13
Reason #264263836 why the supers are great tbh
04-09-2015, 09:18 PM
Post: #14
All i'm getting from this is that don't expect to be refunded if you get scammed while gambling but that doesn't absolve the offending individual from being warned/kicked/banned for scamming.

As we've already seen players are trying to twist the shit out of what Gooch in order to cover for their shit behavior.

Gambling is stupid and I rarely do it but it definitely adds RP to the server and deserve the same amount of protection it always has.

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04-09-2015, 09:34 PM
Post: #15
(04-09-2015 08:08 PM)'HavocMaverick' Wrote:  look this isnt that hard to comprehend imo. You are at risk of losing your money when you gamble. THATS IT. if you break a rule you are at risk of receiving a ban. Scamming is against the rules, if you scam and intentionally plan on being a shit to ppl you will receive a ban. No if's and's or butts.

The risk is that you wont be reimbursed by staff. I may be misinterpruting what ryan said but i think if we are going to have a rule against scamming then it should apply to all fields of rp, including gambling. Now I dont wanna get rid of gambling, but it seriously seems like thats something we will have to think about since there are some people who can't go a day without getting an e-boner from fucking someone over.

We shouldnt have to get rid of gambling just because it promotes scamming in a way, if this were the case we should just get rid of guns as well since it promotes a chance of rdm. But its definetely been made into an issue since there are players who love to start up shit storms. 

Here's a simple way to keep outta trouble in these situations:
Don't try to ruin someone's gameplay, we will end up just ruining yours with a ban.

 

And heres another problem, bans for this rarely fit the punishment. Someone mass RDMs, people may lose a few thousand in shit or not much at all, player gets a day ban or a week if I catch them. So everyone gets a little time off from that person until they return to do so again or not at all. Easy peasy. 

Then someone false warrants a base, they take 20 printers which someone may have payed 16k a pair for before they made back the losses. Player loses over a hundred thousand and the person that caused it may get a day ban whilst farming that amount of money can take awhile especially if you don't have the funds or protection to keep a farm going. 

Then you have someone who scams with a gamble or promise of money. A player takes 100k or 500k or even a million or more from another through a scam. After I played for 3 years I only originally had ~2.2million even though I rarely printer farmed as most of my time was staff is literally impossible to do so. If someone scammed me 1-2million in a matter of seconds, what it took for me to roleplay out and make in 3 years and they will only recieve a pitiful length of a ban like a day, or a week at most nowadays, whats to stop someone from actually doing it. They can just come back, have their money, and do it again or not have to scam at all since they have stacks to RP with now.

These intentional, proven intentional, scams should result is nothing other than a permaban because time and time again have we been shown that some players are literally just a bunch of fucking retards we give way to many chances to. If staff or the player is not to even be considered for a reimbursment and its at their own risk, then the player doing the scamming should bare the risk of never returning to the server. Problem solved. A player may lose all his money, but it won't ever be by that same person again.

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